Other bed designs for Vans this page is a work in progress - it requires some pictures! - to explain in detail and discuss the alternative types of folding bed design for a van. with the intent to present pros and cons of each design and to compare and contrast those design against the VersatileVanBed. Discussion of alternate folding - 'Murphy' bed design for vans. Classic 'Murph y' bed design - short height, floor space dominant ​ A classic murphy bed is folded from approximately knee(0.45m) height from a vertical wall stored position until a rest horizontal position supported by conventional legs on the 'open' end. There must be available a sufficient cleared floor space since below the bed. ​ It is important to note the distinction of a murphy bed being supported at it's 'open' end by legs or resting upon a floor structure. A murphy bed is not cantilevered i.e. it is not solely supported from one end (the hinged side). (In the case a folding bed is fully supported from it's one side as a cantilever :- the name 'Pullman' is most common; refer to other discussion on Cantilever aka 'Pullman' style beds.) Limitation of a conventional 'murphy' bed ​ a murphy bed is hinged along one side and requires the full width or full height of the bed to fold upwards against a wall. therefore dependent upon the height above floor level, knee height(0.45m) or waist high(0.7m) a double sized folded bed (1.3m x 1.9m) requires either (0.45+1.3m)=1.75m wall height or (0.7+1.3)=2.0m wall height to fold up. Platform level 'Murphy' bed design Perhaps the best among the conventional bed design is a variation on the fold-down 'murphy' bed design when it is mounted at waist/counter/platform height (0.75m). This may or not be combined with a 'garage' storage area. The advantage is to retain a longitudinal walk thru space in the van. Unless you have an unusually tall van (> 2.5metre) this style of murphy bed gives a Longitudinal bed which requires more space along the vehicle. This can work well in a Long Wheelbase (LWB/L) size van. Variations of 'murphy' bed - a splitted two-halves design ​ When two single width murphy beds are arranged on opposing wall sides of a van they can be combined to form a double sized bed. ​ Using a fold down murphy style with a narrower / single person (0.75m) wide size; requires either (0.45+0.75)=1.2m wall height when folded up at knee height(0.45m), or else (0.75 +0.75)=1.5m wall height when folded from waist(0.75m) height. With each a 0.75m width, a pair of these single bed can be combined across a 1.5m span across a van. ​ Take note that the free ends of the murphy beds require support using either legs reaching down to the floor or else support from above which could be flexible tension lines instead of a rigid structure. ​ This style of single murphy bed arranged longitudinal with the wall hinge may seem more familiar in name as simply a fold-down Bunk bed, however the distinction can be if the open end is appearing to be free 'floating' in which case it is being supported from the hinge side as a cantilever and the design is rather a 'Pullman' type - read below. Cantilever or 'Pullman' style fold-down beds Cantilever structure When an elongated structure is held at one end and is horizontally protruding outwards perpendicular to a vertical wall, this is called a Cantilever. It can be observed to have a free, open end which might be described as 'floating'.​ Canti levered aka 'Pullman' bed In the case a folding bed which is fully supported from it's one side as a cantilever the name 'Pullman' is common; refer to other discussion on Cantilever aka 'Pullman' style beds. ​ A Pullman bed originated for compact use in railway carriages; today it is most common in the marine industry fitted to ships cabins to provide usually 4 x bunks to each cabin, two mounted on each opposing wall at low and high levels, offering twin room occupancy typically the lower comfortable bed or for 4 person using all bunk bed. ​ Despite it's commonplace use in the marine world and to some degree in trailer conversions the use of cantilever type bunk bed in camper vans seems extremely low. This could be due to the additional wall structure required to support the significant cantilever load. By comparison; fitting a simple beam transverse across the complete span of the width of the van, typically 1.4 to 1.8metres, is a much simpler and lower cost proposition. Home

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Vielseitiges VanBed transformieren einWerktagsarbeitVan in ein Wochenende Camper & mehr Drive your van for Leisure? or Work? Transporting bulky equipment? Working remotely ? - and Sleep over? Vehicle shown is Fiat Ducato L2H2 medium wheelbase(3.45m) equiv. RAM Promaster 136" Welcome the Versatile Van Bed , providing a multi-mode, dy namic space for a van . Vielseitiges VanBed herkömmliche Wohnmobile ein festes oder hinderliches Layout haben was ihre Nützlichkeit als Arbeitswagen zunichte macht. Ein Plattformbett wird oft verwendet, um unter dem Bett einen Stauraum in der Garage zu schaffen. diese Bettkonstruktionen sind in der Regel fest,Durchgang und Zugang durch hintere Türen werden eliminiert Und Einschränkung der Nutzung des großen Raums über dem Bett. Andere abnehmbare oder wegklappbare Plattformkonstruktionen sind sperrig in Bezug auf die Lagerung, wenn sie nicht in Gebrauch sind, oder sie verwenden Bodenschrankstrukturen zur Unterstützung, die die Breite einschränken, was wiederum ein Hindernis für die tägliche Verwendung als Arbeits- oder Frachtwagen darstellt. A new type of mul ti-purpose, compact fold-away platform bed A more versatile design is ac hieved u sing a cantilever support for the primary fold-down mode combined with a secondary flip-over feature which provides either of the bridge for a platform bed, or the base for seating. This is the Versatile Van Bed , providing a multi-mode, dy namic space for a van . a Versatile Van Be d Multi-modes combined in one dynamic package Open access retained for large Cargo/equipment transport Table/Counter Space for Daytime Work & walk through access Platform Bed with retained storage below Seating mode for social/meeting opportunities the basics combined in one base install compact > Space saving built-in > always Available transformable > in Seconds without redundant p arts Innovatives freitragendes „schwebendes“ Design Innovative Cantilever 'Floating' design engineered with counter arm pivot structure alternate positions: folded up = Stowed / Cargo mode fold down at 90deg. = desk / Work mode table top flips open to give slatted Bed mode folds down to provide bench Seating mode Vielseitiges Van-Bett Klappen Sie freitragende Schreibtische herunter Schreibtische entfalten sich, um ein Lattenbett zu präsentieren entweder Einzel- oder Doppelbett Pivot-Design bietet auch Sitzgelegenheiten Eine Realität – echtes dynamisches Multi-Mode-Layout Laderaum 1500 mm Mindestbreite rapid change from Cargo to Desks to Bed modes Change from Desks to Seat mode Offener Zugang zur maximalen Nutzung der Bodenfläche Das freitragende Design beseitigt Bodenhindernisse und erweitert die Möglichkeiten Einfacher Zugang zum Be- und Entladen der Ausrüstung Besonders geeignet für sperrige Hobbygeräte wie Wildwasserkajaks Mindest. Der Abstand zwischen zusammengeklappten Schreibtischen beträgt 1500 mm Cargo-Modus Behalten Sie eine maximale Ladekapazität bei Schwebendes Freischwinger-Design ohne Beine > Vollständige Flexibilität der Stellfläche. - Genießen Sie den Durchgangszugang mit diesen hinteren Türen - ohne ständige Verwendung dieser großen, nervigen, zuschlagenden Schiebetür! Access for loading equipment is easily achieved with the benches folded up in cargo mode. transforming den begrenzten Platz für den Tagesgebrauch - Durchgang durch den Gang Schreibtischmodus Einsatz als Einzel- oder Doppelnutzung Die Einzelnutzung bietet zusätzlichen Platz auf der Tischtheke. doppelte Queen-Size mit allen umgedrehten Zählern. Bettmodus - ohne störenden Boden Einfach parken und im Van einsetzen völlig frei intern Zugang zur Stellfläche /'Garage' schlafen Sie über dem Ladungschaos! Bed Modes Gesellschaftsmodus - Sitzplätze Freitragende „schwebende“ Sitze Sitzgelegenheiten scheinen ebenfalls über dem Boden zu schweben Die Aufbewahrung der Ausrüstung auf dem Boden wird nicht durch Sitzstützen behindert Vielseitigkeit ist das Spiel Die Transportfähigkeit bleibt erhalten nützlicher Arbeitsplatz für den täglichen Gebrauch bequeme Einzel-/Doppelbettplattform. Einfache, starke, kompakte Stahlkonstruktion, die in die Hauptsäulen der Fahrzeugwand geschraubt wird Prototyp auf Roadtrip über 6 Monate/8000 km getestet. Vielseitig ist der Name Die Ladefähigkeit des Fahrzeugs bleibt erhalten nützliche Arbeits-/Büroräume für den täglichen Gebrauch bequemes Einzel-/Doppelbett zum Schlafen über jeder Ladung/Ausrüstung Einfache, starke, kompakte Stahlkonstruktion Straßenprototyp auf Eurotrip über 6 Monate/5000 Meilen getestet. videos Explore more versatility Interessieren Sie sich für ein vielseitiges Van-Bett in Ihrem Van? ...in case we are local .... the designer & fabricator of the versatileVanBed is an engineer presently working on/out of his van based in Enniskillen, N.Ireland, UK. ​ If you are interested in this design and you are also located on the green island of liquid sunshine, then please make contact using web form ; perhaps there is chance you can see it in the flesh so to speak. ​ For everyone else - please write to me first over the contact form. Want to see more demo video and layout ideas? - check out our Social Media links. Kontaktiere uns Vorname Familienname, Nachname Email Nachricht schreiben Einreichen Danke fürs Einsenden! Der Autor versucht, diese zu findenals potenzielle Kunden oder Mitarbeiter für ein Community-Build-Projekt interessiert sind . z.BAnpassung des Designs für die Installation auf anderen Van-Plattformen. Auch eine willkommene Route ist zu findenAusrüster von Van-Umbauten, mit denen man zusammenarbeiten kann für einen nächsten Bau und Entwicklung des Designs als praktikable Option für die Spezifikation in einem Neukunden-Van-Umbau. Angesichts der größeren Flexibilität, die dieses Design bietet, sollte es als neue Option für eine breitere Palette von Van-Besitzern attraktiv sein, die sonst nicht in Betracht gezogen hätten, ein herkömmliches, hinderliches Wohnmobil-Umbaulayout zu wählen, das den Nutzen, den sie von ihrem Van benötigen, zerstören würde. Designstand - Jan.2023 - Update: Die Verfeinerung des Prototypdesigns ist im Gange. B. Aufmerksamkeit auf Details zu Geschwindigkeit und Conv enienz zu bedienenVerbindung der Sitzaufhängung. Installation: Die Installation des Prototyps erforderte ein hohes Maß an handwerklichem Geschick, um die Grundstruktur (das sind die vertikalen 4 x 1-Zoll-Kastenrohre) an der Van-Wandstruktur individuell auszurichten und zu befestigen. Dieser Prozess ist noch nicht einfach genug, um eine Do-it-yourself-freundliche Box anzubieten Kit zum einfachen Anschrauben an jeden Transporter. ​ Gestaltungspläne? - zum Verkauf oder als offene Community-Freigabe Die für die Stahlherstellung erforderlichen Details und Präzisionen sind in einer Reihe von herunterladbaren PDF-Plänen schwer zuverlässig zu beschreiben. Die Wartung und Unterstützung von DIY-Kundenanfragen zu diesen Plänen würde selbst zu einer Hauptaufgabe. Ebenso ist ein ausreichend einfacher DIY-Ansatz für die Installation erforderlich. Dies ist denkbar, aber noch in Arbeit. Dieser Weg könnte realistisch werden, wenn eine Gemeinschaft von Bauherren oder Installateuren eingerichtet werden könnte, die Notizen austauschen und sich gegenseitig bei der Lösung von Bauproblemen helfen würden.

Do you think you need a bigger Van? - or maybe a second Van? - one van for work, another van for leisure? Do you only need to work in your van? - and never sleep in it? - so you always return home or go to a hotel. Or Do you only need to travel, sleep and sit in your camper? - and never need do something requiring a work surface. You just need to chop vegetables or sit with your phone or notebook on a wobbly swivel table. Super! - then you can stop reading and forget this crap, or just go buy yourself a bigger or another custom van. ​ Your's is not a life for compromise - the bigger and more expensive is the best - nice for you. Happiness for you is having everything for it's own purpose, contained inside it's own special box. You go to work in one box, and you go on holiday in a different box. Solved! Q. is 'Customised' actually Single purpose? Q. does your Custom design have a fixed layout which prevents future change of use? Modular is a good approach - But not when you have to return home to a garage to remove and swap around the 'modules' ! 'Pod' modules - these can make sense for swapping in to replace work tools/boxes/equipment for a week-weekend turn-around, but it is important to have a base system of floor and walls that support a rapid attachment system. What do you actually do with your Van? Travel only for Leisure? or Drive van to Work? Drive Far to Work? - and Sleep over? Drive to Work and Escape after? Travel lifestyle - need to work from you van? Choose beyond the restrictions and limitations built into conventional van conversions. Other folding / fold-away or removable bed platform There are many type of bed design used in vans which can be folded away or removed to storage elsewhere. In the present discussion , those types of bed which are transformed from floor seating , these are ignored for the fact that they prevent the use of floor space for equipment storage, reducing the possibilities for transporting equipment while sleeping onboard. It might seem that a converting dinette sofa is a good multi-function but you just got more air to stand up in and nowhere to put your gear. ​ Platform beds are preferred to allow use of the floor space and maximal storage. The majority of platform design form a simple beam structure bridging across the width of the van providing transverse sleeping. The 'Read More' link above discusses these. ​ The common disadvantages of most Platform are:- their sole purpose is a bed/no bed; meaning their bulk must be stored away when not in use they are not convenient enough to quickly deploy/remove as a daily change over. they require floor mounted structure, cabinets or 'legs' which obstruct and restrict access to storage; and subsequently dictate load and access limits of the floor space. Read More Platform level 'Murphy' bed Perhaps the best among the conventional bed design is a variation on the fold-down 'murphy' bed design when it is mounted at waist/counter/platform height (0.75m). This may or not be combined with a 'garage' storage area. The advantage is to retain a longitudinal walk thru space in the van. Unless you have an unusually tall van (> 2.5metre) this style of murphy bed gives a Longitudinal bed which requires more space along the vehicle. This can work well in a Long Wheelbase (LWB/L3 ) size van. > this style of bed and others similar is discussed in detail elsewhere:- Transverse Bed in wide body Van like Ducato Platform The most widely used van platform for motorhomes in europe is the Fiat Ducato/Citroen Relay/Jumper; both in panel variant and chassis/coach build. One of the reason for Ducato popularity is the width which allows up to a 1.9metre length of bed across the van. This arrangement of transverse bed allows more lengthwise space to be utilized for other storage or living purpose. Very often this transverse arrangement is made at an elevated height above the floor(>0.75m) to provide simultaneous storage on the floor level below the bed. The versatileVanBed is unlike any other style of van bed it can be described as:- "a pair of opposed cantilever supported tables/desks which might resemble a 'Pullman' bed except they are not beds because the gap between them must be first bridged to provide a transverse bed; distinctly different to a Pullman bed which is formed parallel to the supporting wall. So in primary fold down mode the VersatileVanBed design offers a pair of desks/work benches cantilevered from the walls" ​ In fact - the desk tops themselves open up and unfold to provide the bridging component which rest upon swing-out cross beam which, when coupled, create a simple continuous beam structure transmitting bending moment across the whole span and relieving the sides of cantilever loading. ​ The cantilever is engineered from thin wall (1.5mm) steel box section for high strength to weight and stiffness against bending while keeping a slim profile and compact space claim; In operation it is easy and fast to change mode. ​ Critically, and unlike any 'Pullman' bed or other fold down cantilever desk, the used pivot arm structure can rotate beyond the usual 90degree horizontal range until a near vertical(170deg.) position where the same structure as used to bridge the bed platform can be used to create a cantilever seat. This multi-function avoids redundancy of parts which might otherwise require removal to storage. The space used in stored mode (desked folded up) is minimal due to the slimline steel construction and 'taco' style the folded slatted bed platform whose slats interleave to save space. ​ Realise possibilities with a base layout which combines the essentials in a dynamic space efficient package Integral = built-in core functionality attached - not removable - not part time redundant present and always ready for change of mode does not restrict floor space or access and load capability Explore a Dynamic Layout

Choose beyond the restrictions and limitations built into conventional van conversions. The versatileVanBed is unlike any other style of van bed ​ A pair of opposed cantilever supported tables/desks which might resemble a 'Pullman' bed except they are not beds because the gap between them must be first bridged to provide a transverse bed; distinctly different to a Pullman bed which is formed parallel to the supporting wall. So in primary fold down mode the VersatileVanBed design offers a pair of desks/work benches cantilevered from the walls. ​ In fact - the desk tops themselves open up and unfold to provide the bridging component which rest upon swing-out cross beam which, when coupled, create a simple continuous beam structure transmitting bending moment across the whole span and relieving the sides of cantilever loading. ​ The design is engineered from steel box section for high strength and stiffness to resist bending with a slim profile and compact space claim. In operation it is easy and fast to change mode. ​ Critically, and unlike any 'Pullman' bed or other fold down cantilever desk, the used pivot arm structure can rotate beyond the usual 90degree horizontal range until a near vertical(170deg.) position where the same structure as used to bridge the bed platform can be used to create a cantilever seat. This multi-function avoids redundancy of parts which might otherwise require removal to storage. The space used in stored mode (desks folded up) is minimal due to the slimline steel construction and 'taco' style the folded slatted bed platform whose slats interleave to save space. ​ Realise possibilities with a base layout which combines the essentials in a dynamic space efficient package Integral = built-in core functionality attached - not removable - not part time redundant present and always ready for change of mode does not restrict floor space or access and load capability a Versatile Van Bed Start with the basics combined in one dynamic package Open access retained for large Cargo/equipment transport Table/Counter Space for Daytime Work & walk through access Platform Bed with retained storage below Seating mode for social/meeting opportunities All the basics combined in one base install compact > Space saving built-in > always Available transformable > in Seconds without redundant parts Work desk & Bed Modes Bedding material is stored in pockets at each side below where the mattress are stored, accessed thru small door flaps. ​ Single bed mode retains the work counter space Seating Cantilever design avoids to interfere or obstruct storage in the floor area. Explore the possible layouts for your lifestyle & activities Motorrad Race Van - Werkbank & Bett Verwendung als Moto Camper! - Ja, es kann auch ein Bett verwendet werden, um das Motorrad an Bord zu halten. Die Standard-Durchgangshöhe des Prototyps unter dem Bett beträgt 930 mm (36.5 ") wo ein 40 mm dicker Boden verwendet wird . Die Standardhöhe wurde so gewählt, dass sie maximiert wird e Sitzhöhe über dem Bett mit genügend Freiraum darunter z Fahrräder mit ausgebautem Vorderrad, bei denen die Sattelhöhe beibehalten wird. Weiterer Spielraum kann gewonnen werden, indem die Schwenkstützen auf einer höheren Ebene montiert werden. Die Doppelbettoption erfordert eine höhere Montage der Drehzapfen als der Standardabstand von 930 mm (36,5 Zoll) der auf diesen Fotos gezeigten Version. Es hängt natürlich von der Motorradhöhe ab. Layoutbeispiele mit einem oder zwei Motorrädern Motorrad-Rennwagen - verdoppeln - Modus wechseln Beispiel mit zwei Motorrädern wird mit einer um +40 mm erhöhten Plattform = 970 mm (38") lichte Höhe hergestellt, um das Doppelbett über dem Kraftstofftank eines größeren Motorrads zu ermöglichen. Vielseitiges Van-Bett Klappen Sie freitragende Arbeitstische herunter ein begehbarer Schreibtischbereich für die tägliche Arbeit . volle Zugriffsflexibilität der Bodenfläche. Integrierte Sitzgelegenheiten für Sozial . examples scenario switching between work-desks, bed and seat modes. Home

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